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Home » NSWC » Making The Jump: Special Operations Forces (SOF) Career Transition

Making The Jump: Special Operations Forces (SOF) Career Transition

by Brandon Webb · August 7, 2012 · Posted In: NSWC, Special Operations
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I’d like to introduce a former SEAL teammate and guest contributor Eric Davis. For those of you who’ve read my book The Red Circle (audio is here too!), you’ll recognize who Eric is.  

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Special Operations Forces Career Transition

“I’m getting out when we get back”

“I want to make more money”

“There must be tons of companies that would hire me just because I was a Special Operations Operator”

“I’m going to start my own business”

“If the Military was a corporation they would be Bankrupt in a week”

“If I can make it through Special Operations Selection and training business will easy”

“People would pay a lot of money to do what we do”

What’s the problem with the most powerful country in the world spending millions of dollars training you to beat all odds, win at all costs, and produce an internal belief that there isn’t anything you can’t do?

You believe there isn’t anything you can’t do – to include being successful in business.

One and done was my plan.  The problem was that I ended up stuffing a 4 year enlistment into 16 years.

“You’re getting out 3 years and 10 months away from retirement?” seemed to be all people could say when they realized I was actually serious about ending my 16 year military career short of any retirement.  Once they actually came to terms with the fact that I was indeed serious all they could ask was “Why”?  “It’s just math” I would tell them.

While a Military retirement is nothing to scoff at it’s certainly not the end of a working man or woman’s working years by any means.  At some point or another you are going to have to get another job anyways.

The purpose of this article is NOT to convince anyone to walk away from their Military career.  On the contrary in fact.  For most it makes way more sense to stick it out.  The monetized value of such a retirement is tremendous; but if you find yourself in a situation where it’s time to jump then “Jock-Up” and jump!

I had just returned from 4 man 90 day mission to a very hot part of the world only to turn around and head right back out the door for a 6 week school in Virginia.   About 5 weeks into it I got a call on my government issued Smartphone.  “Hey Eric – We got a good deal for you”.  Oh man, here we go again I thought to myself.  “When you get back on Friday we’re going to fly you out on Sunday for another 90 day school up in Washington…. Are you in?”

If you’re in, or ever have been in, any type of Special Operations Force you know the primal urge to step up, raise your hand, say yes.  The deep desire to say “Ya – I got this”.  You know the words “If it doesn’t suck we don’t do it”.  An almost sick desire to see if we can push ourselves or our families even further.  Lets face it.  We were born to be Heros and we love to say “I’ll go”.

“Are you in?” my OIC (Officer in Charge) said.  I paused for 5 seconds; but it felt like an hour.  I felt the lump form in my throat, my stomach turn into a knot.  “Dude I can’t” slipped out and it was done.  A 20 year obsession that started when I was a boy had just come to an end.  I knew at that moment that I had finally decided to no longer be a Navy SEAL.

You see that last trip I was on where there were only 4 of us really got me thinking about things.  If we became compromised we would be so outnumbered that the prospect of survival would have been slim.  So for 90 days I sat with an E&E plan (Escape & Evasion) that would consist of a single prayer and a faith in God that he would take me only when it was my time.

For myself these situations were fine.  I have always been “Ready” to go in some strange way and as crazy as this sounds it wasn’t the idea of leaving my wife and three kids behind should something happen to me.  It was the idea of my daughter getting ready to start high school and not having me around for those little daily conversations that could shape her decisions.  It was knowing that this life couldn’t last forever.  It was time for Dad to come home and stay home.

My enlistment was to be up in early 2008 – Exactly 6 years from the time I reenlisted while deployed to Afghanistan.  Also exactly in the middle of one of the worst economies our country has seen.  With a primary parachute that was crafted out of arrogance and pride and a reserve chute that – thank God – consisted of 90% humility and 10% resolve, I stepped off the ramp and began to free fall from Navy SEAL to Business Professional.

4000 feet I waved, reached for my cord, pulled and watched as all of my arrogance and pride spilled out of my chute and disintegrated quicker than a parachute made out of paper.  Panicked and quickly plummeting to a Contracting job that would have me right back overseas, I was able to cut away the useless arrogance and pride and pulled my reserve.  I got help.

Though I was naive regarding my expectations of the business world it had also legitimately changed over the past 20 years.  No longer can anyone pay you for what you have done, who you were or who they hope you can be.

The marketplace has become what I would call more of a “Meritocracy”.  A knowledge and performance based, capitalist, global economy where you are compensated in direct proportion to what you produce in regards to how much help you are to other people.  Being able to do hundreds of pushups at a time, shoot an eye off a bug from hundreds of yards away and stay up for 5 days straight was no longer going to be enough.

I needed knowledge and not the normal stuff you learn in school.  I needed proof of knowledge.  I needed to learn from those whom were already successful and that was the help I found and that is what I hope to share with you in this series.

Today I write this having, since the day I got out of the SEAL Teams, never been without a 6 figure income, never have sent out one resume’, and never have sat down for one job interview.  In the next two parts of this article I will be breaking down some of the good bad and the ugly I learned along the way.

By no means do I have all of the answers and I’m not here to be something I’m not; but there is a type of formula, a strategy, a map that I found along the way that I’m anxious to share with my fellow Special Operations Forces Operators so that they can make their transition with “Higher Speed & Lower Drag” than mine.

Proof of Knowledge is the Only Knowledge

Proof of knowledge is always the ability to turn out the result, get on the gun and knock the opposition down.  This does not include having a good story about how you might do that if given a chance or how you once almost did it in training.  That is easy to relate to as an operator though in business the result is different.

As an operator you knock a target down and instantly you know that you have proof of knowledge.  In business someone makes an assessment that you can do “it”.  They give you a shot at “it”, and the ability to knock “it” down or fail to do so may take months or years.  In the meanwhile either an employer is taking the financial risk on you or you are putting your own personal financial well being on the line.

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For those of you who have survived as operators you already have a proven and unique ability to be a competitive student.  If you can start your journey into business with humility knowing that you do not “Know” business you will be setting your self up for success.

You will know business only when you have the proof of knowledge by having turned out the results that were relevant to the role such as personal sales, profitable operations, joint ventures that work or invented products that sell.

By starting with clarity around what you know you do not know you can then use your ability as a competitive student to out perform those who have already been there for a decade, because they are lazy and have been anesthetized with a salary.

Most business people you will meet have not studied in over a decade and read only casually, not as if their life depended on it.  You – a former Special Operations Operator already approach every detail as if your very life depended on it – because it always did.  This focus on survival, clarity on the stakes of the game will help you become as fierce a competitor in the boardroom as you were on the battlefield.

In part two of three of this article we will discuss why business people do not relate to survival in business the way you learned to, and if you are not careful you will catch this weak mindset, it is contagious, we teach people to build an immunity to this marketplace mediocrity.

Eric actively recruits, trains and mentors high caliber talent to make and fulfill on highly valuable offers in the insurance and financial services industry.  If this is a career path that you may be interested in pursuing he would be glad to discuss with you how your current skills in leadership, innovation and protection are applicable in a growing industry which desperately needs trusted leadership.

You can contact me directly.

About the Authors

Eric Davis

Before joining Pacific Advisors Eric C. Davis served our country as a U.S. Navy SEAL and decorated veteran of the Global War on Terror. Eric has been recognized as one of the premier sniper instructors in the U.S. military and has served as a Master Training Specialist at the SEAL sniper school in Coronado, CA. He is an expert of technical and physical surveillance and was part of an elite group hand-selected to perform intelligence collection in denied areas around the world.

Since his departure from the Special Operations intelligence and training community he has worked in corporate training and sales bringing an unprecedented amount of innovation, efficiency and structure to the domain of business and performance.  Eric has been able to use these skills to help Pacific Advisors develop and expand the Advisor Planning Group which has also been responsible for significantly reducing the attrition rate of new Financial Representatives while increasing the performance of experienced advisors.

Paul Adams

Entering into the financial services business at age 18 Paul built a financial services career before the age of 27 that gave him the flexibility of time and the freedom of resources to earn top 1% household income while only working 3 and 4 days a week.  Paul’s book Stop Burning Your Money was released in 2007.  Now Paul is president of Sound Financial Group in Seattle Washington where he teaches advisors how to build uncommon success in an industry where failure is common.  Watch for the new release of his book Sound Financial Advice.

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Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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Diver_Bravo
Diver_Bravo 5pts

Hey brother, I am really interested in some good ideas for taking steps for a clean transition into the business world as I wrap up my now enlistment. Drop me an Email please adambennett1984@gmail.com.

 

stats: 10 years in (will have 14 after current enlistment)

   4 years SOF now

   No degree (plan on a 4 year before ETS)

 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

I should really be more specific instead of making sweeping generalizations.  (I really do that way too often).

 

Any degree is a good thing.  Specifically, though, a large number of you SF/SoF guys just happen to be very smart.  The big defense contractors are the primary place of employment for a lot of us when we get out, and for the most part they make stuff that goes boom or they train people on how to use the stuff that goes boom. 

 

Most of those jobs require some operational experience coupled with a relevant degree. 

 

I don't mean to imply you can't leave and be a lawyer or an ice cream truck driver or whatever you want to do, but the military experience usually funnels most of us into those contractor jobs.  They guys without degrees or with degrees that don't contribute generally have a tough go of it.

 

Especially in today's job market where for every job opening there are 100 resumes of guys that worked for NASA ahead of you.  It's dog eat dog out there.

Breach
Breach 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9 Hey man, I'd like to ask you a few questions off of this site. Mind emailing me at ericdotddotlopezatgmaildotcom? I figured you wouldn't want to drop your email in public.

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9 

 

Hey T, I just stumbled on an old thread in which you and 2 other commenters were arguing the virtues of code. Your take was more cynical vis a vi the marketability of code. I was wondering between the months that followed what made your views develope so drastically 360degrees, was it a change in the work force? Thanks.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @DarwinBound Well, I'll need to clarify that thread.  Specifically I was addressing just being a pure code writer and trying to sell your wares.  I was referencing the fact that there's 100 dudes in India who will write the same code you can write for pennies on the dollar.

 

Freelance coding has been like that for some years now. 

Tango9
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I had 5 really really solid students out of my physics classes.  Kids were smart as a whip, hard workers, eager, unselfish... but I couldn't get them an internship because (drum roll) they couldn't code.  No C#, no C++, no Java, can't script, can't code.

 

I'm a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.. why do I mention that?  because the Steelers have universally drafted talent over position... they take the best athlete.  I pushed those kids' resumes forward knowing they'd be rejected because they couldn't code.  They have talent, they're the best athlete BUT, they lacked one very very specific skillset.

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @Tango9 What about Python??

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

I'm a big fan of the Science channel's "Through the Wormhole", they keep saying theoretical Physics is the last frontier. All intuition and imagination, pure math.

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9 

 

I've never met physics majors who can't do code. Where'd they end up going? 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @DarwinBound They become teachers lol

Tango9
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 @DarwinBound well, the freshman enrollment in my class is 91.  That drops by half to physics II.  By physics III and modern phyiscs, the class total is around 30.  By the time you hit quantum mechanics and optics (3/400 level courses) it's about 10.

 

StormR
StormR 5pts

@Tango9 @JuliaHugoRachel1 Can barely even spell velocity. Is it related to velocirapters? I know what those are. (bad joke) Seriously, there is NOTHING easy about this for those of us who are math-impaired.

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts

 @Tango9 Not a sniper I am a Viper:-) I was just looking at the equation to review. D=(V/16)(sin of the angle)(cos of the angle). Will review shooting specs on my own to learn more. Thank You!

 

 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @JuliaHugoRachel1to be an effective sniper you have to break that equation down into the vector components.  I'm not going to teach a class on that here (I don't get paid enough) but it's not hard.

 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @JuliaHugoRachel1

 *can't

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @JuliaHugoRachel1

 every sniper knows this equation.  You can calculate bullet drop without understanding basic kinematics.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @JuliaHugoRachel1

 x is position,v is velocity, t is time.  It's easy peasy.  integrate or take derivatives as need arises.

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts

 @Tango9 It looks like a quadratic formula. I need to ask 2 questions to complete this equation. I guess I get an F.

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

I mean Physics and math was around before computers and code, I understand it's a tool of math, but not being able to do math because you can't use one of the tools is just silly. It's like telling a well honed killing machine he can't kill the enemy because he can't use the M-4.

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9 

 

I figured with all the hoopla on Science and Math which I really support get the kids interested because this is the coming Chinese wars.

 

And you're saying we have kids with talent just can't code and we can't do anything for them? Saddens me greatly.

 

Are there internships in which code is incidental? I mean I'm sure Good Will Hunting didn't do code and he got ahead. There's gotta be other routes that doesn't need code, is what I'm saying.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DarwinBound they didn't lose interest.  I have a solid dude who pings my iPhone every 2 days.  I can't recommend him for the internship because he can't code.  These kids are SCREAMING for an opportunity, but if they don't have the skill set I can't help them beyond telling them they need to learn some java or C#.

 

 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DarwinBound what kills me is it ain't rocket surgery.  x(t) = at^2+vt+x(0).  if you understand that equation and can do a force diagram you get an "A"

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9 

 

Wait, wait, they don't make it because they didn't get the internship or they just loose interest?

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @DarwinBound most don't make it to Math Methods for Physics and Engineering which is the most valuable course in the curriculum.

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9 

 

I hope they get snagged or pursue their own, worst possible scenario is their talent's wasted. At least they know they can count on really good letters of rec from you.

Old PH2
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The boys over at Small wars Journal do have a sense of humor, they sent me to this site.  VERY FUNNY:

http://www.youtube.com/user/fridaynoonshow/featured?v=m0CYhcLQb_0

 

The ultimate, "don't watch Porn at work, cause they're watching."

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2 

 

"And if you watch porn at home, make sure the doors are locked" LOL!

Tango9
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My wife and I are both retired AD AF.  I did the contractor thng for 7 years, she's still in it.  I can offer this advice:

 

1) get your degree.  BS is good MS is better

2) code.  write code, buy a book titled "dummies guide to C++ in 1 month" learn to write script

3) Don't oversell yourself.  The companies hiring don't give 2 shits about how many muj you shot or how many doors you kicked in.  You need a skill set that's marketable.  Shooting someone in the face isn't marketable.

Ben K
Ben K 5pts

 @Tango9 Sounds like excellent advice to me.

 

What kind of MS are we talking about here?  It seems like the market is populated with a few well-known choices (MBA, etc.) and then a lot of obscure specialized stuff that has limited applications.  For a soft science guy like me (International Relations), how do I figure out what to shop for?

Breach
Breach 5pts

 @Tango9 Good advice man. What's your take on the MBA? I'm going to be starting a MBA program next fall and it's going to take 3 years (part time).

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Breach Honestly, I'm not very smart on the MBA crew.  In the defense contracting world two things matter:  1:  experience (did you actually do that for a living?) and 2:  BS/MS.  Arts degrees don't carry a lot of weight unless you have "O-9, retired" in your resume.  But if you have O-9 you already know someone and the point is redundant.

 

For the E-5/E-6 getting out?  Here's my no shit advice:  medical or EE or ME.  It'll pay the rent while you "find your true calling."

 

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts

 @Tango9  @BreachMedics can officially serve until 72 right?

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Breach 

 

The rule w/ MBAs is make the company sponsor you, meaning you've already got a job with a big accounting firm or law firm, they send you. If you bankroll you're own MBA, unless you went to IV league or other prestigious schools, you'll be a dime a dozen, everyone and their momma have MBAs, especially w/ University of Phoenix type degree factories, the Economist did a full on article on this a couple of years ago.

Ashter
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 @Tango9 Another hot market is IT.  With Cyber now a top mission and Information Assurance on demand now more than ever.  If you are a coder and understand and can support IT System Security and Hardware and Networking you will have no problem finding a job.  This is a very specific - yet broad field that there is just not enough people with good skills to do this work.   The nice thing about this field is you can get certs that hold just as much weight as computer science degrees.  The down side is they are expensive to get it, so if you have the opportunity for an employer or the VA to pay for it - jump on it.

 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @Breach  we need engineers and critical thinkers more than you know.

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts

 @Tango9 Thats funny. and true!

 

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9  @DarwinBound  @Breach am passing along to my son and others. awesome friggin info. My son already caught onto the code thing, I poo-poed it (beet red now). I know a 32 year old, talented as all get out. Really great family man. But wants "in" somewhere. Speaks 3 languages and is stuck in a low paying banking job. 2 autistic children, awesome wife. Is it too late for him? Nope.Maybe he can manage some of these ideas. Also, on the languages gig, don't discount excellent spanish skills or Thai. With the mexican cartels exploding on U.S. soil, The Guard, The Feds, Contractors could use good skills, if even just for surveillance, they need ears. Computers can't do it all.

 

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts

 @Tango9  @Breach Yeah, and that's where guys like me that worked in the military photo labs and helped to provide "product" for Intel briefs often get the shaft.  My BA in Photojournalism, Old Dominion Class of '88, began as a Degree in Mechanical Engineering at Ohio State in '82.  Ran out of money and joined USN, GI bill paid out about 40k of the 80k that it took.  And yes I've began a Masters course in Geospatial Technologies, had to back off due to family issues.  My guess is the minor I pulled in inorganic chemistry might help but since most intel is now digital I'm leaning that way.  There's just no money out in the civie world unless your working R&D, for Imagery types.  Of course I could move to either coast and do fine, just hate the crowd.  Too many people and I get squirrely.

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9  

 

I have no technical skills, don't even carry a smart phone. And agree 100% every kid in the work force right now, especially former military types should be able to do that. If your cyber skills are lacking, up it like now.

 

You should write an article about basic code for us knuckle draggers, T.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DarwinBound  @Breach I could write an auto-it script to send a text to my iphone whenever someone replies to one of my posts.  It'd take 5 minutes.  Can you do that?  You NEED to be able to do that.

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9  

 

Code is definitely a good skill set to have in any field. Especially with the Web 2.0 bubble not popping anytime soon.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DarwinBound  @Breach want a job?  want to make silly cash?  Write code.  Learn 3 languages (rosetta stone is like $600 per language, and a fuck ton cheaper than taking the classes).  Code.  Languages.Oh... and never forget:  look cool.  Like 007 cool.  Think I'm kidding?  Try it.

 

Breach
Breach 5pts

 @Tango9 Ok, thanks for the info Tango9.

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Breach  

 

Piggy backing on PONI, just keep in mind law degrees and MBAs are understood as fall back degrees for people who can't get jobs post grad (especially no name school, which is not a problem for you). So your posture has to be, this is nothing special and start building up other stuff you can prop up your MBA with, ie foreign programs other specializations, international tax for example or copyright laws, etc.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Breach but I'm gonna just say I don't think the government is short on people that have (and fail) at business degrees.  You actually can't wave your arms without hitting someone with an MBA.

 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @Breach it depends on what you're applying for.  I'll couch my comment by saying that we did satellites, coding, sekret squirrel stuff.  I'm just giving you my perspective from the LM/Boeing et al. crew.

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Tango9  

 

BA is only good in say Foreign Service officer or Case officer, or Analyst positions, which there are plenty of parallels in the gov't contract fields in DC area, ie NG, SAIC, etc.

Breach
Breach 5pts

 @Tango9  That's interesting. So when I'm done I should have Masters in Business Administration on my resume and not MBA. Thanks for the tip.

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts

 @Breach 

 

Nice, bro. You might want to sprinkle you MBA with Chinese specific skills, like a semester or summer aboard in a Chinese program, get contacts in China and shit, and you're all set. Just stand out from the crowd, w/ UCLA you already are.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DarwinBound  @Breach I'll be brutally honest.  I did resume filtering duty for the defense contractor I used to work for and if I saw "BA" in the "education" column it went in the trash. I literally didn't read the rest of the resume.

 

Breach
Breach 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DarwinBound Thanks for the info. I'm going to UCLA and the VA is paying for it.

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9Sir, I was wondering if you think "languages" might be a 4th ad to your list. Would this help in job re-entry? Thanks. JHR

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @JuliaHugoRachel1 

 

It has to be a target language ie Chinese, Portuguese, Arabic, Hindi, Russian etc. And you have to speak it at at least 3s. is my opinion w/ languages, this is for fed LE, intel, etc. Be advise DLI linguists are a dime a dozen these days, so it would behoove if you came from here to separate yourself from the crowd early, live abroad, work abroad, whatever.

Ben K
Ben K 5pts

 @JuliaHugoRachel1 Fascinating, truly.  Sadly for me, Asians stand out like a sore thumb unless in Asia.  Granted, Asia is a big place but still.  Well, I guess I could always pass as a tourist!

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts

 @DarwinBoundAgreed. the look is just "one tool" in a tool kit. If someone has it and has all other qualifications, its an edge. "turn your page with your left hand", yes...language is not everything. One must fully be emersed in the culture.

 

DarwinWavesX
DarwinWavesX 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @JuliaHugoRachel1

 

Lolo Jones has the look, and trust me a bunch of ME kids who were born and grew up in the US, when they go home, have that look, but eventually that look fades and you gotta be able to switch gears and up your cultural, historical, people knowledge, if you have these, then the look helps, but the look isn't ALL. There's plenty of cover for action options you can choose from, that renders that look incidental is what I'm saying.

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 @DarwinBound I am going to be provocative here. The one skill (CJCJ will appreciate this dynamic) that my son and I have going for us, is "the look". He can grow a beard and pass for a middle eastern. A few injections-Pakistan. He is a mixed Latino, I am a mixed Portuguese & Irish. I can go pale white and walk down the streets of Ireland. My given names- First is Irish. My middle name-pet name-French and my last name means serious business in Italian. I am accepted into Middle Eastern cultures by my facial features. its not just knowing the language, it is the culture and having a look. The look is priceless. I don't hear many people talk aloud about this. BTW.....my son gets frisked at airports if he doesn't shave. If he shaves, he gets the nod. He can also look spanish or mexican. Bizarre, but valuable.

 

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 @JuliaHugoRachel1 

 

Be advised I'm coming from a letters field, while T is the science field in the gov't contracting world.

 

People with BAs in History, Philosophy, Anthro, country studies, etc. is my norm. So that's where that language advice is coming from.

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as a side note:  wife just hired a TACP guy who moonlighted as a C-130 loadmaster and then was demoted to satellite ops ;).  Now that's bringing your "A" game.

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